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Originally Posted by superflyjmysnk

For replying respectfully you sure have put a lot of absolutes as well as assumptions towards my person.

I am well aware of composition and form affecting the characteristics and strength of the piece, ...

You are!? Then what's all this talk about thickness on which you've chosen to hang your hat? Clearly, you'll say whatever suits your mood at the moment.

...however, for the purpose of covering the underworkings of the dash, a shroud if you will, how strong do you need it to be?

That's hardly the point. I hope you don't expect me to repeat myself for the umpteenth time, so please refer to my previous comments.

There is no discoloration or whitening of the stock pieces of either vehicle under moderate strain, or what the typical trim pieces will be subject to.

Funny, the constraints I cited in my previous post were alive and well in the new Lancer. Of course, I'm not the one to whom all plastics seem the same.

Compared to the CT9A however, I find it particularly ironic that you insist the quality is measures above. The interior plastics in the 8-9 evo are the same as in their base model lancer, however dyed a different color, both of which were rated poorly in nearly every auto review.

1. I have no idea which reviews compared the quality of both cars, or why you think that I should trust a third party in lieu of my own observations.

2. I'm fully aware the interiors are almost the same, which makes the new Lance even more of a step in the wrong direction (in this respect). Again, that has zero relevance to the thrust of my comments.

You will find yourself very alone in suggesting that the evo 8-9 has a quality interior, but thats not really what most of us evo owners purchased the car for.

Can I have a crystal ball like yours? I'm sure that once folks begin to compare the quality of the two, some will arrive at the same conclusion. Assuming, of course, that not all plastics are alike to them.

The thing about it is there is no point in putting a higher tensile strength plastic or well engineered reinforced plastic in a automobile trim piece, since there is no benefit to the automotive manufacturer. Stronger plastics trim pieces do not make the vehicle safer, more fuel efficient, or more importantly any more profitable.

Who cares? I'd like to ask you kindly not to insult me with strawman arguments. It's clear that you, someone who claims to be an engineer, has no idea what's involved in manufacturing plastics, however that did not stop you from pulling that comical (errr) "trump card" out of your hat. Isn't it time to call it quits? I've been asking you to do so since my fist reply, but you keep coming back with more and more feeble attempts to gain an edge. To what end? I don't know.

Nearly all manufacturers use a nylon reinforced polymer for durability and flex using injection molding to shape the piece, the usual interior rattles are not a result of the grade of plastic but of the fastening techniques used to connect the pieces and the positioning of said pieces as well as the respective clearances.

I'm a sporting man, so let's go with that. Seeing how I clearly heard plastic squeaking when I pressed on them rather lightly, the quality of " fastening techniques used to connect the pieces and the positioning of said pieces as well as the respective clearances" are sub-par, as gauged by your comments above.

The only reason I continued to respond to this thread is that you made a statement and gave no proof to ascertain otherwise, you merely tried to poke holes in my logic and imply that I am incapable of determining between materials.

What proof can possibly exist for an opinion that's based on a personal observation?

Your so-called logic is a self-limiting argument, as you have no personal gauge as it relates to the subject matter. Combining those two factors results in an argument that's nothing more than a self-generated, laughable intellectual paradox.

If you where to take samples from various cars from various manufacturers, and put them through a multitude of tests comparing the strength, melting point, tolerance, etc, I don't believe you would find too many variances.

I've tried not to argue against faith all along. I see you've finally decided to illustrate my point.

I believe this because after numerous installs and builds requiring the removal of the interior of various cars I've come to realize that the only major difference between the trim pieces is usually the exterior finish, they all have nearly the same flexibility, thickness, durability, and from the non viewable side appear to be of similiar material.

Yes, we've been here before:

It's all the same, you're an engineer who knows nothing about engineering constraints, and you see no difference in the quality of plastic materials. Let me grab a pillow....

BMW for example has what most industry folks believe is a "premium" interior materials, however after tearing into more bmw's than I'd like to remember, I can say with great certainty that the plastics they use are no more durable that what you would find in a kia, they do however ensure that the viewable side of the piece is finished with a pleasant appearance by applying a semi gloss finish over the pebbled texture, it is however still the same automotive grade plastic used in nearly every vehicle manufactured these days.

Sure, (modern) BMW plastics are of the same quality as the new Lancer. Would you also like to assert that a Burger King Whopper is no different than a well-made burger, because they both contain meat?

Your correct, there really is no point in continuing this conversation, I did however want to ensure that anyone who comes along and reads this thread will not be put off of the next gen lancers/evos because they read on the internet that they are built using inferior plastic trim pieces, when in reality it is the same material used in nearly every vehicle.

I see...you're looking out for that nameless fantasy buyer who'd be swayed by a semi-anonymous post on the Internet, instead of actually checking the car out for himself.

Your claims and comments speak for themselves. Given your inability to consider the relevant constrains at play say volumes about your expertise.

As far as questioning my engineering knowledge, you can think what you will, I spend my time developing ballistic resistant materials for a government contractor company and the money they afford me suggests otherwise.

HOLD ON A MINUTE!!

You just changed your user profile to claim the above instead of claiming to be a Network Engineer. Apparently, there's an honesty issue here.

I'm always astonished by a lack of foresight at an event like this. It's as if the comments/actions play well with the writer who fails to consider that others many not be as gullible.