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Old 05-24-2007, 12:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
superflyjmysnk
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I'm not sure where your coming up with this, lying in my own web of deceit? This isn't evom, I simply asked you elaborate on how you thought the evo's interior was made of a higher quality plastic than the new lancer.

I was referred by a few members of this board to a couple of your posts on evom, illustrating your habit of ranting on and on and dissecting everything posted to suit your arguement. Nice. I was trying to have a respectful conversation, part of which was for my own sake as I was trying to determine what made you come to your conclusion, somewhat like a market research as percieved quality or "finish" is becoming more important to the armed forces criterion when awarding contracts for military products.

When I was active duty Army the military equipment I was frequently exposed to was "ugly" and if you where to sit a gov. issue HMMWV next to its civilian counterpart, the Hummer, the Hummer looked 1000x better as it had a "fit and finish" the military version did not, even though the function of both vehicles was nearly the same with the exception of the hummer having a fancy interior/exterior and the HMMWV having a superior suspension, the Hummer retailed for $50,000 ish, where the HMMWV as it sat on our property books where $23000 a pop.

Gen. Shinseki, the former chief of staff of the Army, started a trend a few years backwhen he converted the garrision uniform utility headwear from the camoflauge patrol cap to the more visually aesthetic (albeit at the cost of comfort) black beret. His policy has trickled down in many military items, where before the appearance was meant to be subdued and have now become flashier. Personnel clothing/uniforms boots etc where not allowed to have logos or brand names, now it is allowed and the logos are prevalent.

The point of this is that part of my responsibilities is product development, and companies such as the one I work at are starting to focus on the aesthetics and ergonomics of our products and not just the function. I asked a simple question and you blew things completely out of proportion by assuming I took offense to your opinion, and repeated your apparent habit of quoting text and trying to ascertain that you where right, without ever really answering the question of how/why you formed your opinion, instead implying that because I could not (generalized assumption) and there was nothing to talk about.

Perhaps since context is rarely translated properly through text you saw my question as a attack on your person/intellect/whatever, and I admit after you started implying my oh so apparent lack of knowledge of engineering constraints (which really has no relevance on inexpensive trim pieces) I started to take offense to your slightly veiled insults,
since we are not talking about parts such as pistons, bearings, etc that see heavy wear and duty and require a bit of engineering, we are talking about a plastic shroud, the only quality of which is perceived by person veiwing them.



I had two points, that when taken out of context suited your side, when I was just asking you to elaborate on why you felt one was greater than the other.

1. Automotive interior plastic are nearly the same, and after a little research I found that my suspicions where correct, auto manufacturors use a synthetic material under the brand name "bayblend", a mixture of abs and Polycarbonate for 99% of all interior trim pieces. The percentage of either polymer determines the rigidity of the piece as well as few other characteristics, however the cost is nearly the same production wise.

2. If the lancer you looked at exhibited discoloration and noticable noise upon the slightest of pressure, than something was wrong with that particular lancer. Out of curiousity I poked and prodded my wifes car to see if I could find of these symptoms, none of which where present with more pressure applied than the pieces would see under normal use.
I did get a creak however after a few minutes of prodding if it makes you feel better.


As far as my "dishonesty" concerning updating my profile, I find it hilarious that you would track my profile, it speaks volumes. I didnt look at yours because I honestly didn't care what it said. It really doesn't matter as neither position that I have held recently has any relevance or gave me any more credibility towards being a plastics expert, but
I'm sure there are probably a team of crack engineers working and applying "engineering constraints" as I type this to make the ultimate in dash coverings

I also updated that I have the gt3528 turbo in hand and am awaiting a custom manifold that is being built before I can install it, I must be lying about that too because it suits what purpose?
Oddly enough when I was still new to tuning evo's/ecuflash and putting together my modifications I had no problem asking for help from members here, which in my opinion carries a bit more weight on this site than arguing over plastic.



Don't expect a retort, although I'm positive you will have to have the last word from what I've seen.
I'm sure you'll find a way to deconstruct this and quote the parts that suit your point of view with a wordy explanation of how I'm wrong and insulting your intelligence with my obfuscatory text and strawman arguments,

After being directed to some of your posts over on evom I realize that trying to rationalize with you is futile, as you are nothing more than another keyboard commando with a better than average vernacular and a little too much practice arguing on the internet, your patterns and insults are nearly identical over there as in this thread.
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