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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Wanted, I didn't say anyone was scared to run VIIIs. I said people have been scared INTO running parts they don't need, such as head studs, ignition amplifiers, and fuel rails - all on stock turbo'd cars. I said I _only_ run one step colder plugs, and that is all I need to run 11.5s on the stock turbo - nothing more.
I also didn't say Buschur was the rest of the world, and I didn't say they were _the_ end-all/be-all. I said "some" of the best, and I specifically chose that word. Your comment that Buschur pushes his parts to the limit and can replace them isn't even relevant to my comments, because I am talking about CUSTOMERS of his, not the shop cars, although the shop cars can be included, too. They have built customer cars without touching the fuel rail, because it is not necessary even when flowing vastly more fuel than we could ever imagine on the stock or near-stock turbo.
Unlike you, if Buschur did it, I _would_ do it. They have definitely proven themselves, and we're talking about cars that aren't even in the same galaxy as the ones discussed in this thread. People should not be scared into purchasing parts like this when there isn't data to support it. Just wrapping the safety clause around it isn't fair. There are PLENTY of things we do that push the limits more than using a stock fuel rail on the stock turbo...
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If you had have worded the comment about 8 series plugs to begin with, that would not have come up in my post. What you write now is actually worded better and I can agree with that.
The only example you cited was one of Buschurs cars. Please cite us examples of other companies pushing that kind of power without the rail if you truly want to take a well rounded approach. If you re-read my posing in the thread I linked, that's the approach I took. No where in there did i ever say it can't be done, but I did explain some critical differences.
Finally, I realize you would. A lot of us do. And while you are correct in that people shouldn't be scared into buying them, they also should not be scared into not buying them as well. People deserve to know ALL the facts, which means both sides. It's critical in making an informed decision. The person who's car was shown did in fact have a fuel rail he chose not to run and has for sale. I can guarantee that Buschur explained both both the pro's and cons to him about whether or not to use it, and would have run it if the customer said install it.
