Newbie/General ForumBeginner/basic questions and general EVO discussion. Specific questions should be asked in a focused forum below. This area is for the newbies.
I am pretty good at doing my own stuff short of dyno tuning. So modifying is apparent I hope because thats on my mind. I was wondering what good EVO should be selected with some basic requirements.
4 wheel drive (I don't know if all where 4 wheel or not, I could swear some where front at some point)
Manual (Stick duh)
Not new, something maybe like 2002 or so something fairly old and used that is a project car basicly at the point I get it. Theary being to remove stock motor and import a new solid block go forged internals maybe stroke it and throw a new aspiration system on it, like a larger Turbo or such to support the power demands of about 500 to top 700hp.
So it has to be a good chassis, something I could put in support frame stuff, like roll bars and maintain street use. I mean it's not going to be comfy, I'd buy a Volvo if I wanted that, just something that's four door, good shape body, maybe a blown motor type.
So something I can have that looks pretty, because I'm building two, so I'd like something with some time out in the feild because parts will ultimately replace everything but the original frame as I rebuild it bumper to bumper with like new bodykit, work few things up so power will be sufficient to tackle. I'm not looking for an exact car, just wondering if there is a seasoned car genra to tackle that will fit my intrests.
I think you need to start by researching Evos a bit, because:
- Of course, they are all AWD - that's part of what makes them Evos
- They weren't sold here until 2003, so there is no 2002 or older unless you plan to import an older one. A beat up 2003 would work as a good project car
- All are manual except the new X MR
- Some of the internals are already forged, else we wouldn't be able to make 550-600whp on the stock block
- Should speak in terms of WHP, not HP
- Shouldn't have roll bars for street use, because to be safe, you must wear a helmet, and you can't wear a helmet in public
Wait, your title asks which Evo is right for you, but the last paragraph looks like you're asking for us to pick a car type for you...?
Raven, I'd highly recommend you do some research. And you're not going to get 700 whp out of an EVO, unless you have $15K. Even then it's gonna be unlikely. What are your plans for the car? Track, drag, etc...
He can certainly get 700whp, but 15k wouldn't be half the cost. People are making 1000+whp, so there's no reason to say he can't make 700 if that's what he really wants.
He can certainly get 700whp, but 15k wouldn't be half the cost. People are making 1000+whp, so there's no reason to say he can't make 700 if that's what he really wants.
Huh, I thought our long blocks were only good up to about 500 hp?
With a engine swap, the sky's the limit. Get a 2JZ-GTE for $2,500 and you'll have one of the best engines ever built with 3xx hp out the starting gate, and a potential of 1600 hp. Have fun...
I would not go more then 550 or 600 on the stock bottom end. IMO Also you ould call any engine builder and they would say no more then 450-500 is max on the bottom end on these motors. I know of one that is pushing the Limit Huh JOSH? Just me saying what I feel though. Please build what you want just do your own research!
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Wait, hold on. The guy said he was going to build it from the ground up. He didn't say anything about the stock motor...he plans to BUILD the internals. I have no idea why you'd think our longblocks are only good up to 500hp - that's NOTHING. There are people running mid 10s at over 135mph no the stock block. That's not even half of what can be done with a build block and huge turbo. Not sure where you're getting that stuff, sdfontanini.
BamBam, no, that is not true either. It's well known that our stock block is good up to around 550whp without worry. I don't know anyone who says only 450-500 (that's the opposite of "any engine builder"). People make that power all day long on 50-trims with the stock motor - that's hardly anything.
Hey Warr have you ever did your own work on your car? Because you seem like you have never even seen or pulled a motor out of your car before. Just me Venting because I am tired of you coming on here and saying things that you have never done your self. I know Right now that on the stock motr you can push more. But the thing is do it right the first time. Build the bottom and then get the turbo that will work with the hole package. Now if this guy want to listen to a wind bag like you that only sets on the forum and never does his own work nor comes out to a MEET. then that is on him. Plus if you didn't notice I put IMO you do know what that is right WARR. Man you rub everyone on here the wrong way. think before you type next time.
I know you can make alot of power on these motors but IMO I would make sure you build the motor to handle the package that you want. so if you want 700 then build this motor to take that and then some.
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EVO VIII SSL
313AWH 313TRQ
War, I'm not sure where you're getting YOUR stuff? Show me an EVO with 700 whp with the stock long block and then I'll take you seriously. Most max out at 550 whp. I'm sure you could get 700 whp, but you'll probably need some sort of a sleeve for the cylinder walls, and a 200 shot of nitrous. It's possible, no doubt, but you might find it was only worth one pull on the dyno and then Xplosion. You really have to build it right for no mishaps.
And for future reference, 1/4 mile times are not directly proportional to horsepower. Power to weight ratio is a much better determinant.
And if what Bam says is true, that you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk, then I'm not going to argue with you on this...
and stock rods and pistons, rod bolts are different
The block, the part you put the pistons, crank, rods and head ontop of is good to 1000 hp+
the other stuff like the pistons, rod bolts, rods, are good to 550 but that is pushing it.
Warr is right in saying that 50 trims are running 450-500 everyday with no problem, the problem lies when you start getting higher than that but the block is good for over 1000 HP. Hell, I am running my 35R at 550, it has been backed off a bit but I am sure I am right there and at the limits of the rod/rod bolts. But like I said the block is good for alot. The limits have not yet been reached on the BLOCK itself.
AMS has an EVO up to 900+ whp, at 44 psi, so it is possible, but I'm not sure how they did it. They claim it was done without N2O, which is really suprising.
Even with a stroker kit, and a huge turbo it seems pretty tough to get the EVO much past 500 hp without it being a ticking time bomb... But if that's what he wants then let him have it.
What stroker kit are they using? The BC Pro Series Stroker Kit is only good up to 800 hp...
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