Which Evo is right for me?

[BAMBAM]

I read that but I was giving my option and he shots it down and that pisses me off. that is why If I say something is IMO I post it. I beleive everyone can have a their choose but he does not need to be an a$$ about it.
Now back on topic.
I do not see why you can not reach that goal with a 8 or a 9 If you are going to just pull everything out then you could get a RS8 and go from there. Cheap so you can spend more money on the motor and axles and transfercase and tranny. IMO when I build a race car you set down and say what you need this car to do. then you start with the short block then the head(S) because that is the hard part to replace if something fails there. Turbo and cams are easy. Just think it all through before Just throwing parts at it to get that horsepower.
Again this is IMO

[Warrtalon]

BamBam, sorry, but saying "IMO" means nothing when you're wrong. It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of FACT. 450-500 is NOT the limit for the stock block OR stock internals. Yes, I've done a LOT of work on my own car, but NO, I have not touched the motor, because I don't need to. As for meets, what does that have to do with anything? I started RMEVO and planned the first meets, which I also attended. I even lost $300 out of pocket at Dave & Buster's due to people who didn't care to show up. Oh well, my loss, but so what? I don't have time to go to meets and sit around looking at other guys. When I go out with my car, it's to do one thing - race. I compete at a high level and only get to do it sparingly due to having a 2yo and wife that works full time. Once I make enough for her to stay at home, I'll race a lot more AND coordinate/attend more meets. For now, I take what I can get.

Back to the point, you were wrong - it's not an opinion. 450-500 is not the limit. Of course you build the motor if going for 700 (or over 550), but that was not the point. SDfontanini is talking like he has no idea that there are several 1000+ WHP Evos already out there, 2 of which are well into the 8s with more to come. I never said that was done with stock internals, but it is done with the stock block (and without nitrous). If you care to refute any of these points, then please do so, but don't attack me for no reason.

[sdfontanini]

I've only been in the EVO scene here for about a month, and had no idea there were multiple EVO's in the 1000 whp club. Learning as I go. But honestly I didn't think it was possible to have more than 500 with the stock long block. I'm corrected. With the right build it's possilbe. It's amazing to believe you can extract 1000 whp with a 4-Banger. Who needs a V10, when you've got a DSM 2.0L. Eat that Ferrari...

[Joshsevo]

There is 3 of them I believe. ETS and AMS and Buschur all have made one.

[uterus]

Just a heads up, "long block" refers to a complete block and head. They are not making that power with a stock long block. They are just using a stock block, not internals.
I think that's where some of the confusion is coming from.

[BAMBAM]

Is HKS at that mark? there are alot of those EVO's out there. But back to what I was trying to say is make sure you have a plan of attack on what you want to do with the car. then build it from there. RS is a good cheap start.

[ravenforbidden]

First I wanted to thank you guy's for your outstanding outcoming to my little hole in the forums.

Secoundly I'm sorry I sounded like "Pick my Evo for me Plz".

I have looked around at the 03, now I've just gotta find a pair, and pads can be installed on the bar's for street use, and any decent harness should prevent that kind of motion let alone the seat.

I'm looking to fork no less than 20k in upgrades alone, and I can do about half the build to a 1000wheel hp Evo on my own, I want 700 because I want rompage room for Viper's, GT500's, and Vette's so I can retire the Stang and marro from emissions slamming, where I can much easyer work with the much less polluting EVO's system to meet my needs.

I've already got the Mustang and Camaro pushing low 12's under stock motors, most stock motors I hear don't call for mercy til about the tune of 550hp Flywheel.

That all said, let me again stress that this will pretty much have the strength and reliability in one piston to push out any WRX STI or no from the face of the planet. I overkilled with Stang and Marro projects (which are simply install time and tune, some minor refits and couple fab jobs from complete) and I go to meets with them.

The Evo is more my beater car project, no offense, but the Marro and Stang both offer 3k wheel hp without any huge costs let alone effort. I'm looking for a reliable yet lethal street beating Drag\Drift\Street car. I proved the stang and marro can do it, I figure four wheels moving with the motor will make 700 easyer than 900 to two.

Not to mention the Stang and Marro are becoming collectors in a few years, already bumping nothing done to them 10k and rising, mods I will have on them will bump that to about 30+ about 80% of my build costs...

I love Evo's really, though is it fair to say I hate an Eclipse?

[ravenforbidden]

Originally Posted by sdfontanini

I've only been in the EVO scene here for about a month, and had no idea there were multiple EVO's in the 1000 whp club. Learning as I go. But honestly I didn't think it was possible to have more than 500 with the stock long block. I'm corrected. With the right build it's possilbe. It's amazing to believe you can extract 1000 whp with a 4-Banger. Who needs a V10, when you've got a DSM 2.0L. Eat that Ferrari...

Try the tune of 1k hp on only 10lbs of boost and 347 cubes, or 10lbs of boost and 383 cubes at a petty cost of 30k? Been there and passed up quad hp due to clutch issues, I can't find a good clutch to hold the power long enough to use it reliably, and I'm not fabricating a obviously race body into my near Icon like cars no no.

Again be clear, All the factors will be pushed to an extreme, the motor, tranny, differentials, all that will be spec'ed at least 200hp or ft lbs above my top expected outputs.

Stang blowing out a rear end, and the Marrow shattering a crank was all I needed to open my eyes to that issue last build... (One after the other, gf drove marrow to the doom, I power shifted little to high for my pony)

[ravenforbidden]

Originally Posted by sdfontanini

AMS has an EVO up to 900+ whp, at 44 psi, so it is possible, but I'm not sure how they did it. They claim it was done without N2O, which is really suprising.

Even with a stroker kit, and a huge turbo it seems pretty tough to get the EVO much past 500 hp without it being a ticking time bomb... But if that's what he wants then let him have it.

What stroker kit are they using? The BC Pro Series Stroker Kit is only good up to 800 hp...

With the stroker (and my last reply before I spam) is to lower compression as much as possible without making the motor gutless, raise her a few liter ticks, and refit her.

For example, it is extremely common for Mustang's like my 5.0 to go to a 5.4 331 with 8-7.5 compression ratio's, and push 20+ lbs of boost, likewise with my 5.7 IROC to 383 (6.2 or 6.3 depending how you round it) and neither has any reliablility issues, it's just my clutch options are rather nasty. Rip out a beautiful stock fitting piece or throw in an auto, and the last guy I talked to about that i Informed Auto's are for ####y's...

Which is an alarmingly growing trend in the Muscle Car world, imagine that. Guy's talk alot of smack, but when a Manual with no mods can take down an auto with nos, intake, full exhaust, and new rear gears, something is obviously being red flagged in my mind.

[sdfontanini]

Keep in mind the EVo's tranny is probably only good up to 500 or so whp. Not sure what guys are using as a replacement. Probably just getting them rebuilt...

[ravenforbidden]

I was considering a customized unit, I'm sure I could huntdown one of them dealers...

Wouldn't be long before I found it, clutches are more the weak link...

[Khall]

Don't know if this is interesting to anyone or means anything, but...well, I've been doing a lot of research, before I bought an Evo. And it included a lot of YouTube.

YouTube - 1100 hp evo

K.