What is the best springs?

[russjnco]

Originally Posted by Evolvd

Thank you for sharing but the original poster did not specify what is driving his purchase (SCCA, drag etc.)

Your point about coil-overs versus Hotchkiss is pretty useless. Anyone in their right mind would know that you have much more control and adjustability with coil-overs. That's like saying "Run race gas because it performs better than pump". You'd have to be pretty special to not realize that. But as I said earlier, not everyone can afford a good or even decent set of coil-overs...or maybe they just don't want to as in my case. So arguing your point is great if we were talking about competitive driving. But since we don't have a basis for comparison in this case, you've not helped at all.

And once again, I have yet to see someone post some REAL performance numbers showing that certain springs hurt performance COMPARED TO STOCK. I'm sure some of them do, but it's only subjective opinion without the proper testing.

Now since we've gone off an a huge tangent, how bout we answer the OP's ONLY question. What is the best spring to achieve the desired drop he wants. That's all he asked. If he wants more specific info, he'll have to ask since none of us are mind-readers.

Maybe you should stop talking/typing and start reading/listening because you type a lot but don't really add anything to the discussion. Just the same ol' opinion....If you would have READ my post you would have read my personal experience with Hotchkis springs and what they did to my struts. So here's a challenge to you, prove to me that they do provide an advantage over stock and I want some real number. Look, I'm sorry you don't want coilovers, I'm sorry you're running the Hotchkis springs and I'm even sorry you don't drive your car competitively because until you do, you'll never know what an Evo can do. Anyway, I digress here is a complete list of springs:

Lowering Springs:
...................................Front.......... ........Rear.............drop

Eibach Pro-Kit:**....165lbs(2.9k)....140lbs(2.5k)....1.2f / 1.2r
Espelir ASD:............263lbs(4.7k)....319lbs(5.7k)....79 f / .79r
Espelir GT:..............308lbs(5.5k)....330lbs(5.9k)....1 .7f/ .98r
Ralliart:...................280lbs(5.0k)....307lbs (5.5k)....0.5f / 0.5r
RSR:**....................224lbs(4.0k)....280lbs(5 .0k)....1.4f / 1.4r
RSR Ti2000..............280lbs(5.0k)....336lbs(6.0k).. ..1.4f / 0.8r
Stock(USDM):..........180lbs(3.2k)....225lbs(4.0k) ......STOCK
Tanabe GP210:.......256lbs(4.6k)....319lbs(5.7k)....1.5f / 1.0r
Tein High Tech:**...196lbs(3.5k)....268lbs(4.8k)....1.4f / 0.3r
Tein S Tech:**........212lbs(3.8k)... 291lbs(5.1k)....2.0f / 0.9r

As you can see, most lowering springs are either marginally stiffer or slightly softer than the stock rates. The front of the Evo weighs in excess of 2000 lbs. so the Espelir GT springs at 308 lbs would provide the most roll stiffness but even then that is still not enough.

As to the original post, here's an answer.....Tein S-techs......personally, I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole as there is countless documentation on EvoM as to what they've done to stock struts.

[Warrtalon]

Also, the OP may have only asked for one thing, but most newbies don't know to ask for anything else or don't realize the downside of what they plan to do. There are countless, and I mean COUNTLESS people who have either thanked me for saving them from making bad purchases or who have lamented to me how they WISH they had taken my advice.

In the end, if the OP doesn't care about performance or his shocks and just wants to lower the car in order to fool the masses and "look" cool, then that will be his choice.

[Evolvd]

Originally Posted by russjnco

Maybe you should stop talking/typing and start reading/listening because you type a lot but don't really add anything to the discussion. Just the same ol' opinion....If you would have READ my post you would have read my personal experience with Hotchkis springs and what they did to my struts. So here's a challenge to you, prove to me that they do provide an advantage over stock and I want some real number. Look, I'm sorry you don't want coilovers, I'm sorry you're running the Hotchkis springs and I'm even sorry you don't drive your car competitively because until you do, you'll never know what an Evo can do. Anyway, I digress here is a complete list of springs:

What do I have to prove? That I have Hotchkiss springs and my struts are still good after 63000 miles? Ok, I just proved it cause they are....my word is as good as yours right? I'm not the one saying springs are bad therefor the burden of proof is not on me. I gave my opinion on two brands that I have personally spent a bit of time riding on. How many times do I have to repeat myself that not everyone drives their Evo the same as everyone else. What works for you is fine and dandy but don't push your opinion on others because you think you know what's best for everyone.

There's no need to feel sorry for me at all. I am quite happy with my choice, I've modded cars for the last 10 years and I am knowlegeable enough to know what I want and what works for my goals. I'm not a racer, dragger, auto-x'er or any of the above. That doesn't make you any better than me so don't even waste your time talking down to me. I bought my car for me to drive...so I really don't care what you think about my driving habits.

[mrich82]

Originally Posted by GGEvo1121

You need a clutch already?! dang you must have been driving her hard!

Right at 7500 miles and the stock one started slipping. I did lauch (or try to anyways) probably about 25 times or so. I think I got it down though so I hopefully won't mess up the new clutch as quickly.

Back on topic again...

[smokey]

just to add my .02 cents......(not that it matters) but I had Tein S-Techs on both my 03 WW and 03 TB Evo's and they blew both struts. It looks mean and it was lowered nicely...but man....they suck.

Even if you don't want to drag race or auto cross...and you want every day driving...but still want it lowered...save your money and get some coilovers...they don't have to be Ohlins.....but I learned my lesson twice.....I will never do springs again...just coilovers.

P.S. the WW had Helix coilovers....not the best....but better then S-Tech springs.