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Originally Posted by ProjectEvo04
How do you know that the "800 hp Evo" is reliable? Not to mention MAC refuses to use nitrous to create numbers worthy of bragging rights. Also, MAC tuned a 600hp Evo before AMS even did, back before Carz was even established. Back when putting an HKS 3240 on an Evo was considered ridiculous and before anyone around here even used Autronic really. Not really defending MAC as I have issues with the way they do things there, but they are mainly a Nissan shop and easily get enough business that they don't need to have a shop car to try to attract people as enough people go there day in and day out.
IMO, 800hp isn't really that big of an accomplishment considering there are stock motors pulling 600+ these days. Anyone can add a shit ton of nitrous and a shit ton of fuel and make 800hp for a few pulls.
AMS won't even publicly disclose how many motors they blew trying to get to 1000hp because they just wanna use the numbers to draw people in without giving them the whole story. Magnus Motorsports considers 900hp conservative but you don't see them all over every magazine bragging about their shit even though they produced the only 6 second 4G63 in Brent Rau's car. Look at Shepard, he doesn't even use his own dogbox tranny in his drag car, and if he does, it's just basically a modified PPG dogbox anyways. What does that tell you about shop cars?
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I will need to quietly and respectfully dis-agree with you here a little bit, and I am only going to say this. I wont deal with a dis-honest shop. AMS wont disclose the number of motors they blew getting to 1000whp but they will admit that they blew up a few to get there. Shepard admits he doesnt use the exact same gearbox in his drag cat that most people buy from him- it is modified to be a four -speed unit rather than the 5-speed box most people buy, but he WILL sell you the exact same gearbox he runs. He has also never hidden how many gearboxes he blew into tiny pieces figuring out how to build one that doesnt blow up. Any of the shops you named, with the possible exception of Marko/Magnus, will tell you that they have ####ed up, sometimes royally, to get to where they are, and even Marko will tell you that they blew the crap outta a lot of stuff figuring out thier current engine packages.
On the other hand, there are shops- especially several local shops- that cannot ever admit they made a mistake, like prying on an Evo trans hard enough to damage it on install, or leaving all the bolts loose on the same install, or blaming an engine failure on an oil leak/customer changing boost/etc etc. All shops make mistakes, there are no exceptions. The problem always lies in what they do about it, and how they handle it publicly and privately. A shop that constantly blames everyone BUT themselves- stay away.
Actually, heres the "litmus test" I use to determine who I deal with-
- How does the shop deal with thier mistakes? Do they own up and make it right or do they sweep it under the rug and basically bribe those involved to keep it quiet? When asked what is their response to what happens when they make mistakes or overlook anything?
- What do they have to say about thier competitors? Be wary if they have nothing good to say about any other competitors.
-What is thier response if I complain about thier competition? Do they run them into the dirt or do they more or less apologize for my bad experience?
- When I call with an issue, is the first thing they do is to blame me? You would think this is the last thing to have happen, but several vendors, including FP, Magnus, Sloboy, and some other prominent vendors have repeatedly demonstrated that they will blame the customer and the installation before acknowledging there might be a problem with thier products/services.
At any rate, I used to do a bit of business with MAC, all the way back to when I was at 3R, and on until I owned my own shop. At this point, I dont do business with MAC anymore, and I have my reasons. I gave them more than enough chances to earn my business, and they failed miserably to do so.
