need help on what to do next????

[sho_evo_209]

hey whats up everybody...umm i recently bought a evo 2 months ago abd i have already put a stage 1 clutch, ecu flash short ram full exhaust including a cut out but i;m not shure where to go next i planed to get some hard pipes and turbo manifold but after that i really wouldnt know i did want to do some head work like cams and cam gears but what i want is insane lo and mid range power and getting some top end power wouldnt hurt either... so my question is what can i do so i can get up to 400 horses and have insane low and mid range power????

[Warrtalon]

If you want 400whp, you will not be able to focus on low-end power as much, because the stock turbo runs out of breath and will need a lot of top-end help. If you want 400wtq and don't mind 370-380whp, then you can make that happen. To get around 380whp/400wtq, you need these mods:

- BR LICP
- Stock ported/coated exhaust manifold
- BR ported/coated 10.5 hotside (turbine housing)
- BR coated SS o2 housing
- Walbro fuel pump
- Forge UNOS MBC
- Forge RS BOV
- GSC 272 cams (don't need cam gears)
- SMC Alcohol Injection kit

Add all that, set the boost at 26-27psi, and get a full custom tune. If you want to spend more money to stay with a stockish turbo but get quicker spool and more torque in the low/mid range, then instead of the 10.5 hotside, get a TME, which is the special turbo that came on the Evo 6.5 TME version. It has a 10.5 hotside and Titanium/Aluminum internals that are much lighter.
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[EVILAWD]

cams would definetely be a good start. alcohol injection would be also a very likely idea if your looking to hit 400 horses on the stock turbo. Warrtalon recommends the gsc cams. ask him about how they function on his car.

damn Warr you beat me! lol

[sho_evo_209]

thats kool bro thanks alot but is thier anyway u can explain some of the parts u recommended like
BR LICP
Forge UNOS MBC

p.s and do u think i would need a upgraded clutch because i got a stage 1 right now but i dnt know if that would hold the power i want?? and would injecters also help or would that be best sutted for a big turbo upgrade??

[turbolarry]

Originally Posted by sho_evo_209

thats kool bro thanks alot but is thier anyway u can explain some of the parts u recommended like
BR LICP
Forge UNOS MBC

p.s and do u think i would need a upgraded clutch because i got a stage 1 right now but i dnt know if that would hold the power i want?? and would injecters also help or would that be best sutted for a big turbo upgrade??

BR = Buschur Racing
LICP = lower intercooler pipe
MBC = manual boost controller
Forge is a manufacturer
UNOS = what you yell out when your down to one card in the game of Uno. Sorry I don't know what it really means.
Start thinking about some cams.
Don't worry about the clutch. If it holds, it holds. What is the specific manufacturer and torque rating?
Wait on the injectors till you really know which direction your going, and if your serious about the low/midrange a stroked motor might be something to consider.

[Warrtalon]

Larry gave you the acronyms, but honestly, if you haven't seen those before, then you shouldn't be worrying about 400whp right now. Those were both very common and basic turbo car modifications. That is my opinion. You should take it slowly and do some basic mods like getting a stg1 package from Buschur and starting there.

No, you don't need injectors, and UNOS is just a name for the Forge MBC. Your clutch is upgraded in order to hold more power. That's why you got it right?

[sho_evo_209]

thanks guys that really helped... i just got my hard pipes today and it really helps all i might need now is that fuel pump and the turbine housing thanks alot.....


p.s if i were to stroke out my motor would it be a better i dea to go with the gt35r turbo or would my stock one still guve me that edge??

[Warrtalon]

It's pretty useless to do a stroker with the stock turbo. You don't have to do a GT35, but you would want to do something significantly bigger than stock - nothing less than a 50-trim, imo.

Hard pipes? Those weren't on the list and were not needed.

[EVILAWD]

Originally Posted by sho_evo_209

thanks guys that really helped... i just got my hard pipes today and it really helps all i might need now is that fuel pump and the turbine housing thanks alot.....


p.s if i were to stroke out my motor would it be a better i dea to go with the gt35r turbo or would my stock one still guve me that edge??

One thing you'll very quickly learn is you have so many choices of aftermarket parts on the internet its crazy. Truth is my friend by hard pipes i'm guessing you mean the upper intercooler piping. You don't need these since the pipes give you really no power other than in the looks department. What i do strongly suggest is learning about how your evo works what performance parts are going to give you the most for your money.

In terms to the stroking of motor, if you stroke it out yes a gt35r turbo would be better than a stock turbo. Question is what do you want the car for. Lastly, not to knock anyone down that reads this post but very few people have a 400awhp evo. That's hella fast. Probably faster than you'd ever want. Take baby steps before you decide to stroke a motor. The Evo is one hell of a platform and you will soon find out that a stroker is probably not the way to go.

[Warrtalon]

I agree that 400whp is amazingly fast, and doing it on the stock turbo means you have 420-430wtq with near instantaneous spool. I wish everyone would at least FEEL that first before spending 6-10k on a big turbo upgrade that makes the car barely usable on the street due to lag and the fact you can't go 30psi to 8000rpm in public very often.

[sho_evo_209]

thanks ya'll that really help and yea what i ment by hard pipes is the lower and upper ic pipping i got them and put them on and it felt great but i also got a turbo inlet pipe too so that might be where i got that extra power but 400 is what i want cuz i still want to be able to drive it daily and stuff u know but thanks for the info............ thier was also one more question i got though i heard that getting a super afc for tthe evo's is a really good thing to do and i was considering on getting it but if i do should i also get some injectors as well or would my stick injectors be good enough?

p.s i just would like to know what is the max boost on the stock turbo with all my mods that i have so far and how high can i push it??

[turbolarry]

I run the AFC on the stock turbo with 650cc's. I love it because it's easy and it works for me. You can run the AFC with stock injectors, but your not going to get as much timing reward. Stock injectors work, but just not as well. Some people bag on it because it's old school, not real tuning, what ever... it works though.
If your serious about the 400 HP number however, you may want to put that money into a management system that gives you direct timing control or even look into ecuflash;
http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
As far as how high you can raise the boost; It's not the mods that are holding you back, but the octane. If your on 91 octane, like most of use on the west coast, 20-21psi is about the max.

[sho_evo_209]

umm... ijust talked to one og my friends i want to trust him but i dnt know he hasnt been too knowledgeable aboyt evo's but what i wanted to know is when i get cams and just want to run on the super afc do i need to get a dyno tune as well so my cams can run at it's best or can i just go with the super afc?? cuz he said that i do need it because he talked to a other evo owner on evolutionm.net and he said that he couldnt get into boost with his cams until he got a dyno tune??

and also what is up with the meth, or alcohol injection kit what is it and would i need it to get my 400hp to drive it daily??

thanks guys

[Warrtalon]

Hmm, I really think you should worry less about 400whp and start worrying more about learning the basics of the Evo and cars in general. The questions about cams, dyno tuning, dyno tuning being mutually exclusive from the SAFC (it's not), and not knowing what alky injection...all of these scare me and indicate that you should not even be thinking about 400whp right now.

No, you don't want an SAFC. It is the most crude and weak tuning device available for the Evo. You want a flash, and from the sounds of it, you want an expert to do your tuning for you with a flash. The good thing here is you still have the option of tuning yourself in the future with free flashing software. Using a flash, you won't need to upgrade injectors.

You speak as if a dyno tune is separate from the SAFC. This just means you don't understand what "dyno tuning" means. That term only means you get tuned on the dyno. The dyno itself doesn't tune you - some tuning device tunes you, but it gets done while ON the dyno. This can be done with the SAFC, with a flash, or with a standalone ECU - it doesn't matter what you use. Also, you NEVER have to dyno tune for anything, but it is an option that many people use. You do need to retune for cams, but you by no means need to get tuned on a dyno before hammering the gas pedal. You can get tuned on the road, on a dyno, or even through email.

Yes, you need meth or alky injection to reach 400WHP (don't use the term HP, use the term WHP), otherwise you have to use race gas, which isn't feasible for daily driving. You won't get near 400whp with the stock turbo on 91oct. However, meth and alky injection are very complicated and are also dangerous. I recommend that you worry about doing stg1 mods with a tune right now and see how 300whp feels. Then, do cams and some other things to feel 330-350whp. After that, start worrying about 400whp...

[sho_evo_209]

ouhh okay thanks man but i am already at stage one and i do have about 300...... thats why i am asking cuz i do want go with the tme 6.5 turbo with all supporting mods but i have been hearing alot about this alcohol injection that i needed to know about it but thanks for the info bro it really helps.....

p.s do you by anychance know how much the tme turbo can hold how much power cuz i know it is 30% lighter internals and that will give me quicker spool up but what i dnt know is how much power can it hold..... and how far can i go with it??