i got a bunch of buddies on dsmtuners and drifted through myself dsmtuners a while back every now and then. and why i stayed, because i get all the help and answers i need with no bullshit posts, yea it might not be as post happy as evom, but its an easier laid back no bullshit version of evom with good help. i owe alot to this site, thx for the help to everyone