Thinking of some cams...

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turbolarry

Discussion Starter · Sep 24, 2005

I've been thinking about some cams. Being that it is a street car only and will never track/race, I'm settled on a 264/264 (or equivelent) combo.
Anyone have experience with some of these?

Number one on the list is Comp Cams 119100 (intake & exhaust) from FP ($438);
http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...oduct_Code=EvoCamInt&Category_Code=Lancer_EVO

Number two, Buddy Club 264/264 ($460);
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/evo.htm

Finally number three, GSC's 264/264 ($494.01);
http://www.slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=2413

I don't think I need upgraded springs, but have you used 264's and thought you needed them?
Did you need cam gears?
Thanks for you input every one. :thumb:

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krisj144

· #2 · Sep 25, 2005 (Edited by Moderator)

Couple of comments on your selections. I've always used HKS and probably always will. Every time I've heard of problems with cams, they're from other companies that regrind. Plus, every time I've heard of someone degreeing HKS cams, they've always came out spot-on straight from the box, which is not the case with other cams.

I think 264's are extremely mild. I've run 264's straight, 264/272, and 272's straight in my gsx and I liked the 272's the best. No real idle issues with a decent tune and they simply pulled great. I just finished putting 272's on my evo with adjustable cam gears (first time I've had used cam gears) and it seems to be idling fantastic at -4/-1.5. I drive my cars on the street and hate bad idle issues, lag, and hesitation as much as the next guy, but I've honestly never thought that a decently aggressive cam necessitates forgoing driveability.

I definately wouldn't say you need cam gears, but I do think it's worth the extra 200 to get them, particularly if you're going to dyno tune the car. Plus, if you ever decide to degree the cams it's necessary.

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turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 25, 2005

So of these cams do you know which are regrinds? To my understanding the three I have narrowed down were all from new billet.
I know HK$ and I don't need top of the line. This is just a street car/daily driver.
I know about the combo and straight 272's, and it's not the idle or drivability I'm concerned about. I will need to pass smog when the time comes and I can pass with straight 264's, but probably not with the combo, and definatly not with straight 272's. I'm not looking to swap cams in and out in the future so that's why I'm sticking with straight 264's.
Any other feedback on the three above cam's?

Fourdoor

· #4 · Sep 26, 2005

turbolarry said:
So of these cams do you know which are regrinds? To my understanding the three I have narrowed down were all from new billet.
I know HK$ and I don't need top of the line. This is just a street car/daily driver.
I know about the combo and straight 272's, and it's not the idle or drivability I'm concerned about. I will need to pass smog when the time comes and I can pass with straight 264's, but probably not with the combo, and definatly not with straight 272's. I'm not looking to swap cams in and out in the future so that's why I'm sticking with straight 264's.
Any other feedback on the three above cam's?

I used cams from somewhere other than HKS once (web cams) and it cost me an entire engine. The cam lobes were not properly heat treated, and flaked off into my oil system. These metal bits in the oil system destroyed the oil pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and the crank shaft. I will never go with low cost cams ever again.... not worth the risk.

On the issue of valve springs, that all depends on the lift of the cams, and how agressive the opening/closeing slope's are on the cam lobe. All of the 4g63 HKS cams have the same lift, and none of the slopes are too agressive for stock valve train equipment. I think Jun cams are higher lift and more agressive in profile and need stronger valve springs, but I am not certain on that because I have never used them myself.

Keith

umiami80

· #5 · Sep 26, 2005

Why not try a stagared setup? Go 264 Intake and 272 Exhaust, HSK of course. The Mild intake cam would keep vaccum high enough to keep the idle solid and the 272 exhaust to flow up top. This is great as long as you stick with the stock turbo, otherwise you may wana look at 272's.

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 26, 2005

Fourdoor said:
I used cams from somewhere other than HKS once (web cams) and it cost me an entire engine. The cam lobes were not properly heat treated, and flaked off into my oil system. These metal bits in the oil system destroyed the oil pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and the crank shaft. I will never go with low cost cams ever again.... not worth the risk.

On the issue of valve springs, that all depends on the lift of the cams, and how agressive the opening/closeing slope's are on the cam lobe. All of the 4g63 HKS cams have the same lift, and none of the slopes are too agressive for stock valve train equipment. I think Jun cams are higher lift and more agressive in profile and need stronger valve springs, but I am not certain on that because I have never used them myself.

Keith

Thanks Keith. :thumb:
Web Cams are right in the next city from me, but I'm not considering them. One of the cams I listed should check out OK though... right?

umiami80 said:
Why not try a stagared setup? Go 264 Intake and 272 Exhaust, HSK of course. The Mild intake cam would keep vaccum high enough to keep the idle solid and the 272 exhaust to flow up top. This is great as long as you stick with the stock turbo, otherwise you may wana look at 272's.

Again, I'm not going with any set up that includes a 272; not beacause of idle/drivabilty, but because of CA smog tests.

Novtec1

· #7 · Sep 26, 2005

well i've been running 272's on stock gears and i love em... idle is not bad but i lot of people ask if something is wrong with my car. the pull is sick would recommend them to anyone looking at a set of cams.

Fourdoor

· #8 · Sep 26, 2005

I just don't trust anyone other than big name vendors when it comes to cams, rods, pistons. Not worth the risk. Trying to save $350 can cost you $3,500 as I learned.

Keith

umiami80

· #9 · Sep 26, 2005

Fourdoor said:
I just don't trust anyone other than big name vendors when it comes to cams, rods, pistons. Not worth the risk. Trying to save $350 can cost you $3,500 as I learned.

Keith

AS you have learned? what happened?

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 26, 2005

Fourdoor said:
I just don't trust anyone other than big name vendors when it comes to cams...

Keith

All three of the cams I've listed above come from very reputable vendors. I've made major (

) purchases from RRE and SBR over the years and have always been satisfied with the pruducts they've carried. My only problem is this;
I've never heard of GSC's, but I trust SBR.
I've never heard of Buddy Club cams, but I trust RRE.
I've never dealt with FP, but for several years DSM's have been using Comp cams with very good results.
I guess I'm looking for solid reasons to rule these out and maybe consider HK$.

Ludachris

· #11 · Sep 26, 2005

Hey Larry,

I've heard that the 264/272 combo passes smog out in CA. I would hate to see you spend the money on a mild set of cams and be disappointed on the power they put out. I'd go for the staggered combo.

I'd probably only consider HKS or Comp Cams myself - and I think FP has their own Comp Cams grinds. I'd call up Robert at FP and ask him if he's had anyone out in CA worried about smog laws. He might have some insight.

umiami80

· #12 · Sep 27, 2005

you caould pass smog with 280's if tuned properly with a wide band, it's ALL in the tune man.

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #13 · Sep 27, 2005

Ludachris said:
Hey Larry,

I've heard that the 264/272 combo passes smog out in CA. I would hate to see you spend the money on a mild set of cams and be disappointed on the power they put out. I'd go for the staggered combo.

I'd probably only consider HKS or Comp Cams myself - and I think FP has their own Comp Cams grinds. I'd call up Robert at FP and ask him if he's had anyone out in CA worried about smog laws. He might have some insight.

Scott Gray has has shed some doubt on the 264/272 combo in CA, while the 264's are an almost lock. I'll call up FP.
Thanks Luda. :thumb:

Fourdoor

· #14 · Sep 27, 2005

turbolarry said:
All three of the cams I've listed above come from very reputable vendors. I've made major ( ) purchases from RRE and SBR over the years and have always been satisfied with the pruducts they've carried. My only problem is this;
I've never heard of GSC's, but I trust SBR.
I've never heard of Buddy Club cams, but I trust RRE.
I've never dealt with FP, but for several years DSM's have been using Comp cams with very good results.
I guess I'm looking for solid reasons to rule these out and maybe consider HK$.

Here is some food for thought.... my web cams came from RRE. Great shop, but the warrenty on the cams is only for the cams themselves.... not for any engine damage they do.

Keith

Fourdoor

· #15 · Sep 27, 2005

umiami80 said:
AS you have learned? what happened?

Ummmm, read post #4 in this thread.

Keith

Ludachris

· #16 · Sep 27, 2005

turbolarry said:
Scott Gray has has shed some doubt on the 264/272 combo in CA, while the 264's are an almost lock. I'll call up FP.
Thanks Luda. :thumb:

I had talked to two guys in the Bay Area who had passed with the combo. I had not tried it myself. I chose a similar combo (Comp Cams) in hopes of being able to pass, but never had to try since I moved out of CA a couple months ago. I still haven't gone in to do my smog test here in CO, but I don't think I need to worry. People out here are passing with 272/272 and a cat. It's a bit more lenient.... and I hear that they're getting rid of emissions tests altogether next year. Oh how I love CO.

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #17 · Sep 27, 2005

Fourdoor said:
Here is some food for thought.... my web cams came from RRE. Great shop, but the warrenty on the cams is only for the cams themselves.... not for any engine damage they do.

Keith

Thanks Keith. I'm definatly going to keep that in mind.

Ludachris said:
People out here are passing with 272/272 and a cat. It's a bit more lenient.... and I hear that they're getting rid of emissions tests altogether next year. Oh how I love CO.

Hmmm... Colorado.... hmmm???

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #18 · Oct 15, 2005

I spoke to FP about the 119100's;
Do not require upgraded springs (11.0mm lift) unless reving well past redline (that's not me

)
Do not require cam gears/shims and the pins line up perfect
Made from new billet/not a regrind
I'm not affraid to try something new and can't find a valid reason not to try these cams, except I'm married with children...
Hopefully wifey gets me one for our anniversary and one for x-mas. :laugh:

bogey8

· #19 · Oct 20, 2005

Larry, I'm using used HKS 264/264 and I'm really happy with it. Idle's great and not lopey at all. I made 314whp on 91 @ 22 psi and 379whp on 101 @ 28 psi. I had TT install everything. Only head studs were changed with the cam install. Stock cam gears.

turbolarry

Discussion Starter · #20 · Oct 20, 2005

Well, all bets are off. :laugh:
Some 264/264 GSC's just came in today for a screaming price I couldn't pass up. Once they are installed I might head over to do the dyno too.

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